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Rick Mandelson Interviewed by Dave Zortman |
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TVR:
How did you get started in your racing career? You know, in those days things use to break. You use to shear axel keys and blow your transmissions, stuff like that. We had these 25 and 26 tooth Lincoln Zepher transmissions, you could get them in the junkyards in those days. In any case, that was down in southern Maryland and on our way back, we would always pass Marlboro Speedway, which is roughly at the intersection of Route 3 and Route 4. Not too many knew about Marlboro Speedway in Maryland, but a lot of people knew about it in Europe. We had some really big name drivers at that time come in, like Sterling Moss, Jackie Stewart, people like that. One day, after a day of racing, that is drag racing, I was coming back and it was raining. The rain was coming through the seals of the windshield. <laughs> I'm looking over on the right side... there these guys are having this race. I noticed that they could floor those cars and nothing would ever happen... no transmissions blown, no engines blowing. I got sort of interested in that. Early on, the President of the Maryland Timing Association was a guy named Guy Fowke, who drove an MGA. He got away from drag racing and went to this other kind of sport, that we sorta like... we would get out of our car, off the running board and step on these little cars. We didn't have too much respect for sporty car people. I asked him about it and he needed a mechanic, so that's how I got sort of like involved in sports car racing. And then, we were written up as having the world's fastest MG. At the time, he won a lot of nationals. He had a hard time describing what was wrong with the car, so I decided I would go to driver's school... in those days you only had to go to one school and you'd get your novice license. I would go through school, get a license, then I could drive his car. Then I could find out what was wrong with it and prepare it better. Well, that bad part was... well, I rented this MGA from a friend of mine... a guy named Jim Quigley <laughs>, for $25. It had 4 brand new Michelin tires on it. It was a 1500 MGA, and I went through school in that car for $25. At the end, they would put umm, all classes, all in one big glob and have one race. Well, I happened to win the race. So, immediately I was sponsored! People wanted to sponsor me, which was basically unheard of in those days. So that's how I got involved... and the next thing I know, I'm running against the very car that I tuned. I bought a Porsche Speedster, a '58 Porsche Speedster that crashed, flipped, blown up and caught on fire. I got it for almost nothing. I put it all back together, and that's the car that I raced. I got sponsorship... people started giving me big brakes and different gearing, tires and things like that, from a guy who fist sponsored me. His name was Big Bill Thomas. Big Bill Thomas was, at one time he was the head of the NASCAR Oldsmobile racing team, when they ran on the north track, before Daytona was even built. He had a partnership with a guy named Bill Terrell, who owned Metropolitan Imports in Baltimore. So, they got me all this stuff. That was my first sponsorship. Here I am, running against the very car I'm tuning, and I'm beating it. Everybody was saying I detuned his car so I could beat him, so, that went by the wayside. I started driving my own car. That was the only car I ever owned, by the way. I remember I had a Racer Brown 22A cam in it and it was a faulty cam. The cam broke in half, which broke my motor. That was the only engine that ever blew up in all the years of my racing... ever! If you ever got a reputation of blowing motors, blowing transmissions and being hard on something, you wouldn't be driving for anybody very long. That's the way that was in those days. Basically, it was unheard of that people had drivers drive for them. So, that was the start of it all. TVR:
Do you remember when and where you saw your first race? Strangely enough, later on in years I was running a Formula Vee, which is Volkswagen powered, 40 or 50 horse power, you had certain specifications. I also helped a fellow who was a very big wheel in the Triumph Motorcycle Corporation, which was based in Timonium. So, I was a sort of a racing technical consultant for the Triumph Corporation, you could say. And, Gary Nixon was the national champion in 1967. In 1967, I helped on his motorcycle. Well, before we went down to Daytona, we rented the Marlboro race track, that is the Triumph Corporation did, because he couldn't believe that my time was faster in a Volkswagen than his 500 cc Triumph, tricked out race bike. But, it was, only because we had more tires, of course, and we could go through the turns faster, even though they could out accelerate us in the straightaway. Later on, Nixon decided... you know, he was starting to wind down his career and he wanted to maybe drive sports cars. So, at that time there was a Lucas slide injected BRM ex-Formula 1 car that this guy was going to sponsor me... wanted me to drive. He was a rich fellow. <laughs> So, Nixon was gonna come down and maybe take a couple laps, see if he liked cars. Nixon arrived, just as this guy was warming up his car. Again, came out of the bowl. Now, instead of a barbed wire fence, they had a huge dirt mound. He crashed the car right on the dirt mound and broke the car in half, right in front of Nixon. The Gary decided he wasn't going to go car racing. He said a motorcycle... you can walk off a motorcycle. But, I did let him drive the Formula Vee around and he was just putting around. But, that was okay. He felt like he was in a coffin and he just didn't want to drive it. There's a lot of little stories like that. <laughs> TVR:
How many types
of racing did you compete in? They guy who owned Lincoln Speedway at that time, his name was Hilly Rife. Hilly was a sports car kind of a fan. He had a Jaguar one time, he had a Corvette... he had run that car at Lincoln, right up against the wall... I mean he really enjoyed it. He actually wanted me to come up there too, see what I could do... you know, a sports car driver. I ran a couple different cars up there. I ran for a guy named Tim Harvey. Tim use to build his engines out of an old chicken coupe kind of a thing. His father owned a farm. He had two people drive for him at the time. One was me, I had the smaller engine... I had a 289 in a Comet, I believe it was, #5 and #55 was Kenny Slaybaugh. Kenny use to drive for him and on the same night, he'd drive the sprints or super modifieds. TVR:
Before you
started racing, who were your favorite drivers? TVR:
Who were your
biggest influences early in your career? TVR:
Who were some of
the guys you raced against? There's just a lot of big names. The biggest names, whether the names were big or not, the people who I thought were the very best drivers were Dick Thompson... and Ed Lowther. TVR:
Who were some of
the more talented car builders/mechanics of your during those days? Of course, Eric Broadly was the designer of the Lolas. With that in mind, he fortunately is the same size I am, so it was pretty easy for me to have a factory car, as it were, for my size. It would be helpful in those days if you were Italian, 5' 4", with a size 8 shoe. My shoe is a 13... I can cover all three pedals at once. It was very difficult, actually. You had to concentrate not to hit the wrong pedal, especially when you're, you know, in the heat of running. TVR:
Who do you think
were the most underrated drivers your ran against? TVR:
What tracks did
you compete at: When we ran the Lola Ford, we ran up at Lime Rock. At that time, the track record was never under a minute. We broke that just with a Formula Ford, because of the excellent handling characteristics. I was running Formula Vee's at the time and then I, of course, graduated to Formula Ford at the same... the same year I was running Vee's, I was running Formula Fords. It was like night and day. It's like running a no suspension go-kart verses a very technical suspension kind of a thing. But, to name some of the tracks... Thompson, Lime Rock, Bridgehampton, Marlboro. Mid-Ohio, which was a very interesting track. It had hell of a lot of turns and it had one negative camber, left hand turn that you were actually in the air and had to correct in the air. With a rear engine car... it was a real thrill. Thompson, Connecticut, a lot of people I knew were killed there. One was one of my students that was killed there. I was actually in bed, reading the sports page on a Sunday. I read where he was killed going into the bowl. Thompson's another track that was an oval, asphalt oval, New England type track that got stretched into a sports car track as well. So, it was a double deal there. Vineland, NJ, Virginia International Raceway, VIR, which is now redone and people run in vintage cars and motorcycle races again. I use to call that one the high speed dangerous one and Marlboro the low speed dangerous track. If you could drive either one of those tracks well, you could drive any track in the country well. Watkins Glen was the easiest track there was. Truly easy, only it was a high power track. If you had a strong car, you'd win. A lot of times, I didn't have a very fast car, or 6th fastest, whatever, but I could usually win because of the handling... you know, because they were smaller tracks. But, that was a long-winded track, and that was before they shortened it up. You know, like the NASCAR guys, they got through that little "S" there (inner loop). That use to be a flat out turn. I mean, God knows how fast we were going, but it was fast. You never shut off. There was a guy named Bud Foust that was a good driver, a big name. He was killed up there, one year when we were up there, ran into the trees about 160 mph. Trees don't bend, so... TVR:
Which dirt tracks did
you race at? TVR:
Which track do
you think was your best or favorite track? One other favorite was VIR and my third favorite was Mid-Ohio. Those were real driver tracks. The rest of them were kind of simple... for me. Lime Rock was another one. It's a little tricky, but one or two laps and you could beat the local boys. <laughs> TVR:
Which track was
your worst or least favorite? TVR:
What was the
most memorable or proudest moment of your career? TVR:
What was the most disappointing
or hardest moment of your career? TVR:
What was the
funniest moment of your career? TVR:
Of all your
competitors and associates (drivers, mechanics, etc), who were your closest
friends? In this type of racing, its pretty unique. I found the stock car people... the stock car people remember, no matter what... they remember. Sports car people, I don't know... it's a huge turnover, but stock car people, the followers that watch in the stands have incredible memories. I ran a sort of like a cheater type of thing. WBMD, which was a hillbilly station... guess that's not politically correct now days, but a hillbilly station for Baltimore in the '60's. They had what they called a disk jockey race, for the disk jockeys. WBMD hired me to run this disk jockey race and beat the disk jockeys because most of the people that went to the Dorsey Speedway listened WBMD. So, of course they wanted their boy to win. It was awful. They gave me an alcohol burner flathead, with grease slinging out of the axels and everything... <laughs> And umm... I think I lapped the 2nd place car on like the 8th lap and I was doing all I could do... the car was loading up, I was going as slow as I could possibly go, but the car was loading up... but, I was Bowling with my son, 20 years later and there was this guy in there who's father... it was his car and he remembered my name and everything! I just couldn't believe it. Still to this day, people remember different things and I wasn't very prominent in stock car racing by any stretch of the imagination. I was extremely prominent in sports cars, but stock cars? No. TVR: If
you could pick a list of the greatest drivers ever (including yourself)
from any point in history, from any venue in racing, and could magically
bring them through a time machine to compete together in a race, who would
they be and why? TVR:
Doesn't
matter, its your race. TVR:
What
changes do you think could, or should be made in racing today that would
improve the sport most? TVR:
What advice would you give to a young man or woman who was thinking about
starting a career in racing? TVR:
When
future generations find your name in the history books of racing, what is
it about you and your racing career that you would most like to be
remembered for? TVR:
What
was your style of driving? I was never hard on engines or transmissions. I didn't use the clutch as a gear. I didn't use up my car. The only thing I ever used was tires. Back Return to Top Read Rick's Scrapbook
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